When the Savannah Music Festival announced that The Policeโs drummer Stewart Copeland was among the internationally-known musicians slated to appear at their 2008 event, it was widely perceived as a major booking. However, most folks know Copeland solely for his work with the aforementioned rock group that at one time was arguably the most famous and successful power trio in the world, and not for his other accomplishments, many of which seem more suited to this engagement.
Despite the fact that he and bandmates Sting and Andy Summers reunited last year for an ongoing (and massively successful) tour marking the 30th anniversary of the release of their groundbreaking debut single โRoxanne,โ thereโs always been more to this U.S. born renaissance man.
From the start of his career in The Police, Copeland always aspired to do more with music than merely pound the skins in a pop group (no matter how eclectic, influential or adored). To that end, over the past three decades, heโs scored numerous film and television projects, composed music for both ballet and opera, and been seen as a leading catalyst in the Westโs acceptance of ethnic musics from across the globe.
It could be said that all facets of Copelandโs artistic output will be on display in this unique appearance which will include the premiere of a new composition for piano, violin and percussion, as well as material from his latest CD Orchestralli (played by a 17-piece ensemble), followed by a Q & A with the audience, and culminating in a rare theatrical screening of his acclaimed low-budget documentary film Everybody Stares: The Police Inside Out.
That 2006 film found Copeland crafting a fly-on-the-wall portrait of his famous group โfrom their earliest brushes with success to near the tumultuous end of their careerโ out of never-before-seen Super-8 movie footage shot decades ago by himself and the bandโs associates. By presenting the bandmembersโ private and semi-private moments alongside breathtaking images of massive arena-sized crowds hanging on their every note, he subliminally goosed the will-they-or-wonโt-they-ever reunite question which had dogged that band since their dissolution in the mid-โ80s.

A fast talker known for his strong opinions, quick wit and self-confidence (all of which serve as prime forces behind his fairly staggering accomplishments in a variety of pursuits), Copeland spoke to me from the West Coast where he was hard at work preparing for this special show.
First of all, youโre on a hiatus from the Police tour right now, but thereโs still one leg to go after this, and I see youโll be joined by Elvis Costello and The Attractions for those dates.
Stewart Copeland: Yes! You know, we were rivals back in the day, so itโll be fun to duke it out every night onstage. We actually have a lot of mutual respect between us, but that doesnโt stop it from being a rivalry.
So, who do you have money on as far as putting on the better show?
Stewart Copeland: Are you kidding me? There arenโt enough Wheaties in the world for them to eat to even come close to catching up with us! But it always works well for us to have a strong opening act. The better they do, the better weโll do.
Were you able to squeeze this Savannah date into an already existing break in the Police tour, or was that break scheduled around this premiere of your new work?
Stewart Copeland: Well, I donโt think either were scheduled around the other. Savannah was planned before the Police tour, and it just happened to be booked the way it was.
I understand youโre a close friend of SMF associate artistic director Daniel Hope, and that heโll also be taking part in the new composition youโll premiere here. How did you two meet, and how much of a role if any did Daniel have in bringing you to Savannah for this show?
Stewart Copeland: Yes. The new composition is for him. I mean, itโs actually about my little girl Celeste, but he commissioned the piece. Or rather, the festival did that for him. He and I have a mutual friend named Johnny Moore, who Savannahians will remember form his performance in The Soldierโs Tale a season or two ago. Heโs an old friend of mine and he introduced me to Daniel Hope. At some point there was a German TV show called Into The Night, where they take two completely different people โlike a painter and a poet or maybe a musician and a politicianโ and send them out on the town to explore one city or another. So, for one episode, I was Danielโs host and showed him around the great haunts of Los Angeles. We already knew each other, so it was great fun. We went to my favorite little restaurant, and then to an art gallery which I would never have seen, but ti was highly recommended. Then we went to Disney Hall and then capped the evening with a visit to the Rainbow Grill.
For those who arenโt familiar with the Rainbow Grill, it used to be, and still is, the place in L.A. where any English rock bands travelling through seem to stop. It actually provides a very important service to the young, single women of Los Angeles who want to find themselves a British musician. Or really any young musician in tight pants who can fake a British accent. For the purposes of the show, we actually hired some actresses to come up and accost Daniel as though he was a famous rock star. (Laughs) He of course at the time was playing in a highly revered classical music group called the Beaux Arts Trio, so when they came up all excited and said โarenโt you in a bandโ he knew right away something was up. But I paid them a lot of money to scream โBeaux Arts Trio? You ROCK!โ
Most folks obviously know you as a rock drummer, but youโve been scoring film and television for years. I was wondering what first led you into such work, and if it was something you had long aspired to, or if it was more happenstance that you found you had an affinity for that type of work.
Stewart Copeland: It was happenstance. I got a phone call from Francis Ford Coppola. (Pregnant pause) I took the call. And he invited me down to Tulsa, Ok. where he was shooting a film called Rumblefish. I had never been on a movie set before and had no idea how movies were made, or really any idea what he wanted from me, but we talked a bit and developed a rapport. I donโt know if youโre aware of how Francis works, but his system for any project heโs involved in is that he finds talented people who are willing to work for him and then he sets them free. He just said, hey kid, you got talent, so you can make me a film score. He gave me a few pointers and set me loose. I had to reinvent the wheel for my own god-durn self, and thatโs why people in the industry wound up calling that music innovative. Actually, it was just bone ignorant. However, if you donโt know where the box is, then itโs much easier to think out of the box! In fact, thatโs our family motto: โWhereโs the box?โ
Looking over the list of projects you have composed soundtracks for, I was struck by the wide range of films and shows that have featured your music, but I found it difficult to discern any noticeable pattern with regard to the choices themselves.
Stewart Copeland: Well, you see there? You have indeed discerned a pattern.
What do you look for when choosing a project to score, or do you ever compose work independently of a film or show, which then winds up finding a home later on as part of a soundtrack?
Stewart Copeland: In any collaborative artistic enterprise, you often stab in this direction and if it doesnโt catch fire, then you stab in the opposite direction and wind up going there. The tangents that come up are sometime really great from a musical standpoint. Often, Iโll come up with way too much music for a given film or show. There just isnโt enough room for all the cues, or they would overwhelm the final product. Those extras sit there in my cookie jar and I tend to eventually turn a lot of those pieces into concert works.
Little information has been released about the type of piece youโll be debuting here in Savannah, but Iโve been told it will include a 17-piece ensemble. What can folks who come to this recital expect from the live music portion of the show?
Stewart Copeland: Well, actually the rest of the evening will use that ensemble, but the specific new piece that is being debuted is just for piano and violin. However, as is usually the case, Iโll be hustled onstage to ruin the piece by playing drums alongside them. But, folks seem to love that so thatโs what will happen. And, when Iโm sitting there on stage I just canโt shut up, so Iโll also do some talking. Itโs a bit of a schizophrenic scene.
Plenty of internal drama on display?
Stewart Copeland: Yes, some internal drama. Well, not that much. Just the typical situation of the composer guy being at loggerheads with the drummer guy. The problem is that weโre stuck with each other. I mean, here I wrote a beautiful, poignant piece of music that I feel has a certain degree of inner poetry and a discreet charm, and that all works wonderfully until I get behind the drums. I remember the plaintive voice of the composer saying, โDonโt fuck this up!โ But the drummer guy canโt help himself, simply because itโs the drummer guy who has to face the music and sit there in front of the audience. However, itโs the composer guy who reads the reviews the next day. (Laughs) Actually, I just made up that last part to keep the simile going.
But, itโs quite true.
Stewart Copeland: Youโre right. Itโs the composer guy who gets the hangover. I think there was a Jim Carrey movie about all of this…
Is there any specific prior work of yours that would fit nicely alongside this new piece, or rather, is this a great stylistic departure from the types of compositions you are already known for?
Stewart Copeland: Well, yes, actually. The other pieces weโll be playing fit nicely alongside it. Iโve discovered that writing for a small orchestra is my favorite medium. Actually, itโs all compromised. The most fun type of music to write is opera, but the world out there is such a cold, hard place for opera. Thatโs such a thankless task that writing for small orchestra is very esoteric. Itโs high maintenance and low yield in most every regard other than the personal artistic joy you receive, but I do love it. Oddly enough, I have found that itโs actually much easier to write for a full orchestra. It costs less, and come s together more easily.
Iโm surprised to hear that. One would assume it would be more expensive and more hassle to deal with a full-sized group.
Stewart Copeland: Well, hereโs why: That orchestra is just sitting there. They have two regular rehearsals booked per week and theyโre usually already playing a concert on the weekend. Theyโre just hanging together waiting to play some piece of music, and it could be Mozart or it could be Copeland. All I have to do is put some charts on the stand. However, for a small orchestra, I have to find 17 musicians who are all really good and fly them out of their hometowns and assemble a motley crew, so to speak. This will be sort of like a Stravinsky orchestra. Iโll have a first chair for every slot: three reeds, one of every size; three horns, one of every size; and four fiddles because they like it that way; plus one or two bangers and clatterers; a piano, bass and a few other bits and pieces. But itโs a containable unit.
Also, I can work stuff out with them more intimately. Some of these works are also charted out for full orchestra, which is a real buzz, because I love that scope as well. But the smaller orchestra is more malleable. Itโs sort of like surfing on a small board rather than a big board. The big board has all the stately majesty, but the little board is more agile.
How exactly are the other pieces linked to the new one?
Stewart Copeland: Well, thereโs the other three girls. Not all of them are for my daughters, but Iโve written for Eve and Grace, and girl number three is Celeste.
The SMF is known for staging a lot of one-time-only performances which are completely unique to their festival. Do you imagine youโll have additional live performances of this particular work, or are we to assume this is a one-time only airing of the piece?
Stewart Copeland: Um, I donโt think itโll be a one-time-only airing in any respect, actually. (Laughs) I donโt know if that is a good or a bad thing for Savannah. But Iโm pretty much over doing things just once. I mean to put something like this together and expend all that energy for just one show? I donโt get it.
How much rehearsal is going into this show?
Stewart Copeland: Well, thatโs one of the greatest things about this kind of music. For a rock band, you gotta rehearse for months. With this kind of stuff, I put the charts on the stands and count โem in, and weโre good to go. Weโve got two practice sessions, so weโll rehearse for a couple of days. Itโs pretty charted out. This is a pretty โunbaggableโ type of music. Itโs not classical at all. Iโll often get roped in with either the jazz section or the classical section because there is no guitar involved, but neither of those camps are comfortable for me. Call it โreggae orchestral.โ
Is that what youโre now calling your style?
Stewart Copeland: Well, someone could call it that. You could call it that.
But would you be pleased if I did?
Stewart Copeland: Reggae orchestral. Hmmm. Itโs growing on me. By lunchtime Iโll be like, โWhat the hell.โ
This event also features a talk of some sort by you as well as a screening of your documentary film on the formative years of The Police, is that correct?
Stewart Copeland: Thatโs true. It actually evolved from one kind of thing to another, which is why it is now such a strange evening. It started out with me screening the film at this festival with a little chat and then Daniel said, โWhy donโt you write me a violin piece?โ Then he said, โWell, if youโre gonna be there, why donโt you play as well?โ Then he said, โWell, maybe there are some other pieces you could add, too. Then give a talk and then run the movie.โ So, there are three very disparate forms of entertainment involved. Iโm quite sure those folks will be well sick of me by the end of the evening.
Is this your first time being billed as โAn Evening With Stewart Copelandโ?
Stewart Copeland: Yes. Well, Iโve played shows where it was just billed as โStewart Copeland.โ
But this sounds sort of like Masterpiece Theater. (laughs)
Stewart Copeland: It is just a hair pompous, but itโs a nice festival.
Have you been able to attend many of the public screenings of the documentary?
Stewart Copeland: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thatโs where this came from: screenings of the film at festivals where I do a little Q and A before or after or both. I really enjoy those. In this case, Itโll probably be more of a Q and A about my current notorious band thatโs on the road now โ and believe me, I have all sorts of dirt on those guys!
Do you say the Q and A will focus more on The Police because thatโs what you plan on talking about, or you just assume thatโs what most people will ask about?
Stewart Copeland: Well, people arenโt necessarily holding their breath for my Orchestralli music, you know? The Police tour is whatโs on peopleโs minds right now. However, whatever they want to ask is fine with me. My life is an open book. Iโve got war stories on pretty much any topic you can imagine.
Did the other members of The Police have an opportunity to see the film before it was first shown to the public?
Stewart Copeland: Yes. Andy loved it, and Sting declined his opportunity. He doesnโt like to watch himself. He claims to have still not seen it, and at first I thought he just hated it and wanted to get out of telling me, but now I believe him, because he is allergic to watching coverage of himself. Andy loves it because heโs the star of the film. He came to Sundance and the little bastard got a standing ovation!
Well, he certainly is the โChaplin figureโ of the movie in a way.
Stewart Copeland: Yes, definitely.
In retrospect, do you feel the creation of that film played any role in helping to spur the subsequent reunion of the band?
Stewart Copeland: I think so, yes. Sting insists of course that he just woke up one morning and thought of it, but I canโt help but think the response to my film was on his mind that morning. Now, the following is all speculation โ because remember, itโs all about Sting waking up one morning, right? See, Andy and I had pretty much forgotten about it. That was eight years out of our life about 25 years ago, and weโve all lived a lot of life since then. The Police were on my mind because Iโd just done a year promoting this film, but to me, when I thought of The Police, it was as a completely inert fossil.
Since this film was all shot from inside the band as opposed to outside of it, it had a very unique point of view when compared to any other films about rock bands. In my film, the fans are actually screaming and shouting down the lens of the camera. In other words, it was about The Police, but the result was that it surprised a lot of people by exposing just how much interest there still was in the group.
Over the years, I tended to hear a lot of nice things about the band. People tell me all the time how much our music means to them, but it actually had very little meaning to me anymore. Those were just trophies on a shelf. However, you have to imagine that Stingโs life is such that it just dictates heโs been surrounded by people who constantly tell him, โIโm glad you got rid of those other guys.โ He just doesnโt hear a lot of good words about Andy and myself. I mean, you can just imagine that in โThe Court of Magic Stingdomโ one does not advance oneโs position by going on about The Police. By the way, all the weird shit youโve ever heard about Sting, about how odd he is in real life? As his friend, I can categorically confirm all of it.
Ah, I saw that one coming.
Stewart Copeland: (Laughs) Itโs true, though. He is a weird individual. But heโs a true rock star. That partโs completely real. Itโs not just on account of the unbelievable amount of music that just pours out of his every pore, but because of his very nature. He is simply not like other men.
Obviously, this film came directly out of your own personal experience, as you had shot most of the footage for your own private enjoyment. Now that youโve been through the process of actually turning that footage into a cohesive and well-received documentary, do you have any desire to make another film for public release that is unrelated to your own personal life?
Stewart Copeland: Yes. I havenโt come up with a topic yet, but I really enjoyed making that film, and now, pretty much, I can afford to do more of it.
Have you ever visited Savannah before?
Stewart Copeland: Iโm sure I have. Iโve been to Charleston, and whenever I think of Savannah I may be confusing it in my mind with Charleston. They both have those glorious white-columned homes and all that Southern Antebellum charm. And the trees. My familyโs from the South. Actually I was born in Virginia, which Georgians might not consider the South, but I do. Now, my father is from Alabama, and thatโs South!
For folks who have never knowingly been exposed to any of your music outside of The Police, is there any one album that you would suggest as an ideal introduction to your own solo compositions?
Stewart Copeland: Well, there are good ones out there, but the most relevant one would be the most recent one. I mean, the Rumblefish soundtrack got all the mainstream attention, so by all means look into that. But thatโs not what Iโm doing now. Orchestralli is the one Iโll be playing some from in Savannah, and I recently got a Grammy nomination for a piece I recorded in Europe. So, check out Orchestralli on iTunes.
You know, seeing Everybody Stares, it reminded me that I have some old super-8 footage of you shot by my friends in a new wave band called The Swimming Pool Qโs.
Stewart Copeland: Oh yeah! The Swimming Pool Qโs. Good band.
They toured as an opening act for you guys back on what must have been your first or second tour of America. They took some great shots of both bands clowning around at sound checks and offstage. Do you remember much at all about The Qโs?
Stewart Copeland: They were a nice group. For some reason, I think of them alongside The B-52โs. They were around at the same time, I believe, and then R.E.M. came a little later. But The Pool Qโs and the B-52โs were the sound of Georgia. Werenโt they from Macon?
No, theyโre from Atlanta, but often got lumped into the Athens scene, which is where the B-52โs were formed.
Stewart Copeland: Thatโs right. Athens, Ga., the Manchester of the South. I remember The Swimming Pool Qโs as sounding a little like The B-52โs.
They had a similar attack, but were much more musically savvy.
Stewart Copeland: Yes. Less charisma, but more music. They were not one of the hostile, punk type bands. I recall they had at least as much humor as angst. They were great fun to play with.
What: An Evening With Stewart Copeland
Where: Trustees Theater
When: 8 pm, March 26
Cost: $45 – $15 at www.savannahmusicfestival.org or by calling 525-5050.
Info: www.stewartcopeland.net
This article appears in Mar 12-19, 2008.
